I stopped reading when you said battleship can use fighter bombers
-1000 for the very thought of that

also here several other points that garner a big red No from me:
- bastion modules are specific to marauders, it should stay that way the same way no other hull can use siege/triage
- Super DPS logi, because logic and reasons
- 8 mediums and 6 lows? Get real
- failure to explain the point of this, or even what caused you to think of it
- ishukone hulls
- the post in general

the only thing i even liked about this post was the name "hydra" because then i could name it Heil

While I agree we need T2 BS hulls in this game I do not at all agree with what you have suggested here. One of the worst things CCP ever did was allow weapon/logistics systems to be used cross platform from their intended hulls. Bombers are super specific, fighters are carrier specific - this needs to stay with no more crossover than between those two hull types.

Simply put, T2 BS hulls should be crossed with their corresponding racial Ewar as a secondary to their repair services.
Amarr: Tracking disruption
Caldari: ECM
Gallente: Sensor damps
Minmatar: Target painting

I'm actually not against the idea of a battleship-sized carrier. The trick would be that rather then limiting it to 5 fighters, I would limit it to 3 or something. I don't know the damage output, but the idea of flying a pocket carrier is, in concept, interesting. Like the idea that has floated around of a battleship that can mout Dreadnaught guns. Likely just 1 gun, or in this case a smaller number of fighters. bridging the damage gap, allowing it to do what the battlecrusers that mount Battlship guns can do. Put out obsene amounts of damage, but with less defence. a Glass Hammer if you will.

I don't think CCP is in a poisition to be adding new ship types at the moment. they are still hard core into Sov, structures and the T3 crusers.

Why would you pay carrier price for a third of a carrier's damage?

a domi, rattler, hell even an Ishtar is a decent halfway to carrier. YOu are making them some magical beast never seen in the lower ranks. They aren't.

Drones and fighters are the same mechanics.

Run reppers in high slot, you got logi covered.


You are lacking what makes the carrier different. Jumping.....and fuel/stront management and cap management (well less so with fatigue, old days you worried a lot about cap recharge on your hops to gtfo faster on multihop runs, now you get your timeouts to make that happen lol). This is where caps get fun. Rest is SSDD.

basing an argument going well bastion is bad. bastion was ccp getting interest in marauders again. Somewhere between point A and B they were becoming less viable for use.

Pirate BS were making them look bad in pve, their supposed area of dominance. The loot mod bonuses marginalized by noctis. As imo (and many others) it is better to blow the crap out of missions full steam ahead and just whip out the noctis before the 2 hours up on the wrecks. And a strong fart could jam them, writing off gurista entirely for missions. ANd rng gives these out all over even once on a while.

Enter bastion. tank boosts for the min maxers (who then whined on DC's tank dies in bastion...as they run bare minimal tank). E-war immunity to not have 2 level 4 runners (one for the gurista rng give outs) for the I want one ship players And some range. Voila...a t2 mission running bs now worth its price tag again.

CCP didn't do bastion to take the game in new directions, they did it to have marauders not suck in a way that didn't have them shoot straight to wtfbbqpownage either. Flipside this and well insert any drone rant thread you want. Make it one involving sentry bonused ships. Or runs gecko's well. Since well...if you want remote control frigate (what a fighter is kind of) why not go for the remote control cruiser which is in game now.

There is no lack of interest in some drone boats the take away. there is no ship class to save really.

I get this. What I am wondering how this fills a gap. Its not prepping for carriers in any way over a current BS imo. Lacking anything to "prepare" for caps this becomes I want a ship to own in empire idea really. Want to prep for caps....train them on sisi is my suggestion if not comfortable running them on the real server at first.

it to me is just a really tanky drone boat. Which is not really needed. One of the bene;s of current drone BS's is well they can tank already. Rattlers main claim to fame is it can slap on one hell of a tank. Even with plain ole t2 fittings.

Or a tanky logi boat. In empire. Where even if the other side is honorable enough to not use neut logi, this beast will be something hard to kill. Where once we cut through all the bullcrap...we know empire dec bears tend to pick easy targets usually. If a corp decced fights back for a change but can't get the N+1 to pop the basi backing up a dec crew fleet.....how the hell is it going to get the N+1 to pop a "triaged" baby carrier, or a few of them.

Bigger question is should empire even become a N+1 fest to counter baby carriers. We can argue it was cap and super proliferation that ruined some of the fun aspects to 0.0. I am a paradox here....I am very cap capable, Even bothered to run t2 siege and triage. I also, oddly enough, am also in the cap and super blobs must burn crowd lol.


Not concerned about high slots, run reppers on a bs. This can be done already. Been a while since I flew scorpions in combat. last I did it was pre-tiericide when it had 2 ulility slots. Here is what my utilities were, armour and hull rr. 1 cap injection mixed in with ecm for recharge.

And....many was the time people were almost as happy I was there for ghetto RR as well as jamming. Here we can argue what "effective" repping is. Me I saw first hand being the only hull repper in the crew and quite a few people needing hull topped...I didn't need bonuses to be effective. When your choice is being in deep space, far from home and your hull close to if not smoking....a lone hull repper on a scorpion is a very much loved.